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the topics to Spanish for DVDs, etc.) The script doesn't correspond
100% to the video and still needs checking over.
This video is titled “No Holds Barred” and is the final video
just for skeptics in the expansion pack accompanying the video
“How It All Ends.” A lot of the arguments in this video assume
that you’ve viewed all the other videos first.
I’m going to try to not be sassy, but I gotta tell you. If you’ve
made it this far through all my videos and you still insist that
taking action on global climate change is not in our best interests,
I’m getting a little frustrated. But then so are you probably,
and I realize no one has ever changed their mind because they’re
being attacked. In fact frontal assaults “with attitude” tend
to just cause people to hunker down in their opinions. So I’m
going to try to be civil, even though it’s not nearly as satisfying
as being righteous. Please forgive me if I slip.
And this is sort of a grab-bag of the topics left over, so also
please pardon the lack of narrative flow, and eloquent exposition,
or whatever.
Before we get to the last stand, here’s a basic recap of my argument
given over the course of all these bloody videos.
You say: “We don’t know that AGW is true. Isn’t it still being
debated?”
I say: “Science is never certain,” show you the statements from
AAAS and NAS, and point out that you’re in the test tube.
So you say: “Well, then, how are we to decide something if we
can’t know for sure what’s going on?”
And I say: “Use risk management. Here’s a grid that might help.”
And you say: “Can’t that argument just be used for the dire threat
of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?”
And I say: “You’re right, so we’ve got to estimate the probabilities,
making sure to establish the credibility of our sources by using
this here credibility spectrum” and I suggest that the statements
from AAAS, NAS and pretty much the rest of the national science
academies in the world should convince us that AGW is more probable
than not.
And you say: “But unless we caused it, we shouldn’t interfere
with it.”
Then I explain the mechanics of climate change and forcing.
Then you say: “Well, it’s way too big for us to stop. And if we
try we might overshoot and end up in an ice age, or make the warming
worse.”
And then I say: “No, it’s really simple—stop the forcing of the
climate system. There’s lots of great ways to do that without
reducing our standard of living.”
And then here we are.
First and foremost, I can perhaps save you time here by pointing
out that if your opinions about global climate change are not
falsifiable, then you don’t even need to watch the rest of the
video—you can go google Paris Hilton or something. [Cut to squeamish
look.]
Falsifiability is an idea in science that establishes whether
a claim someone makes is even worth examining. Here’s how it works.
Let’s say I claim aliens exists—the truth being out there and
all—and you claim they don’t. It’s not even worth your time to
try to convince me that I’m wrong, because no matter what your
evidence or reasoning, I can always counter with “Well, we just
haven’t looked hard enough.”
In fact, with this claim, there’s no way even in principle for
you to prove me wrong—even if you are correct—because you could
have all the star drives you want and search every rock and gas
ball in the universe, and come back to me with that, and I could
still say—”You missed a spot.” Or “They moved when you weren’t
looking.” Or “They’re invisible.”
Unless I can provide you ahead of time with a test and a hypothetical
result that I would accept as disproof of my claim, there’s no
use arguing with me, because my claim is not falsifiable.
That’s why conspiracy theories aren’t worth arguing about. They
will always be around, because they are not falsifiable. Which
is to say: even if they’re not true, that fact cannot even in
principle be demonstrated. If you ask the conspiracy theorist:
“Well, where’s your evidence?” they can always claim “It’s being
suppressed.” And if you try the other direction and say: “Well
here’s evidence against your claim,” they can say “It was fabricated.”
Or biased. Or just faulty.
Please note: I’m not saying that the means the conspiracy is wrong.
Or that it’s right. I’m just saying if the claim is not falsifiable,
then there’s no way to ever know, and so it’s just a lot of wasted
effort to even debate it.
I often find myself thinking of this when I’m debating hard-line
climate skeptics whose claim is “anthropogenic global warming
is a hoax.” No matter what the evidence I provide, they claim
it’s biased, or just plain wrong.
So before we go further, stop and answer the question: “What would
convincing evidence look like to you?”
How about a bunch of really smart people who are experts in the
field working with supercomputers and a worldwide network of data
sensors for 30 years? We’ve got that. Maybe a public statement
from the largest, most well-respected scientific body in the world,
calling for action? We’ve got that [AAAS]. A statement from an
honorary scientific body, comprised of the most credentialed and
respected scientists in the country, one-in-ten of which have
a Nobel Prize? We’ve got that [NAS].
Statements from the national science academies of other major
countries? We’ve got those [Google “joint academies climate change”].
A statement from a collection of businesses with vested interests
in the fossil fuels themselves? We’ve got that [USCAP]. Still
not good enough? How about if the biggest, most notorious corporate
holdout around finally publicly admitted that climate change is
a threat, and it finally stopped funding climate skeptic think
tanks? We’ve got that [Google “Rex Tillerson prudent”].
Still not enough? How about a statement from the US military,
not known so much for it’s environmental advocacy, but for its
bottom line interest in preserving national security above all
other concerns? We’ve got that [Google “Pentagon climate change”].
Perhaps it would take unanimous support from anyone remotely connected
to the issue, so that no journalist could dig up a single scientist,
author, or think tank analyst who is ever willing to say that
AGW might be bunk. Well, as you’ve seen in my video “How It All
Ends: Nature of Science,” we’ll never have that on ANY issue,
simply due to the inherently uncertain nature of all science.
So wouldn’t that make your claim unfalsifiable?
Perhaps it would take you personally feeling the climate effects
in your life. Well if that’s the case, I’m afraid we’re doomed
to no longer be actors in our own lives, purposefully influencing
our fate, but merely powerless victims of circumstance. Because
as you saw in the video “How It All Ends: Scare Tactics” the feedback
loops of the climate system are long enough that by the time the
effect is obvious, it’s too late to do anything about it.
Who would need to issue a call to action in order for it to be
convincing to you? If you say “No one—I go by the EVIDENCE”—I’d
ask you to watch the “Nature of Science” and “Risk Management”
videos again, and remind you that there’s a reason it takes a
Ph.D. to get a job as a researcher.
So is there someone—some expert whose expertise, experience, and
judgment you trust—so that if they came out for action on climate
change, you’d be on board? If so, then your claim is indeed falsifiable,
and worth debating. But I’m not sure you’re left with a good thing,
because aren’t you giving that person or organization an awful
lot of power over you and your world?
I’m comfortable with AAAS and NAS playing part of that role of
advisor for me, because as far as I can tell they’re probably
the smartest, most careful, most knowledgeable people on the planet,
and the issue is smack-dab in the middle of their expertise. They’re
not infallible, but they’re the best we’ve got. Seriously—who
is better or more credible on matters of science? And my knowledge
of the scientific process tells me that only the most unequivocal,
robust statements make it very far through such organizations,
much less being announced as public calls for action.
Whose advice would you care to stake your (and my) future on?
It’s not a rhetorical question. Let’s get it out in the open.
Leave a comment—who would have to come out in favor of action
on climate change in order for you to be on board? I think it’s
an interesting question, and I’m very curious to read the answers
provided.
Really, what would it take to convince you? And if your honest
answer is “Nothing can convince me,” then fine. But then please
admit that your belief is one of faith, not reasoning, and step
aside. Isn’t it disingenuous to debate when you don’t consider
debate itself—the examination of evidence and reasoning—to be
a valid means for getting closer to the truth?
I’m sorry if I’m getting a little sassy, but the hard-line skeptical
view is really starting to look a lot like a conspiracy theory.
It seems like it’s not falsifiable, and therefore, not worth even
arguing. So, like I mentioned before, here is the test to see
if your belief is falsifiable: ask yourself “Can I come up with
a reasonable scenario that would convince me that we should take
big action now on climate change?”
And if you find that you can’t, then what does that tell you?
Wouldn’t that send up a little red flag that maybe you need to
check your thinking? That maybe you’re not being completely rational
about this? Maybe you’re letting a bias blind you to any evidence
that contradicts your opinion, and therefore your unconscious
goal is no longer to figure out reality, but instead is to preserve
your beliefs? That may feel good and righteous, but does it really
seem like it’s in your own pragmatic self interests?
Of course it would be fair of you to turn the question to me,
and ask if my claim is falsifiable. Can I sketch out a scenario
which would convince me to convert to the skeptic’s side? The
answer is yes. I’ll wait until the very end of this video to give
it to you, so that you can put it in context.
On either side of this bitter debate, you hear accusations that
the other side is in somebody’s pocket. From the skeptics you’ll
hear “It’s just a liberal plot to get control of our lives,” and
it’s not uncommon for a warmer to imply that anyone who argues
hard for the skeptical side must be a corporate shill. I figured
that the idea of vested interests hiring people to surf the net
and argue for the skeptical side wasn’t too outlandish, but I
also thought it sounded a little too sinister to probably be true.
Well, a couple months ago, I was reading a back-and-forth discussion
about Grist.com’s “How to Talk to A Climate Skeptic” [Google the
exact phrase “We’re all seekers for truth here” WITH THE QUOTE
MARKS] and there was one guy really taking the lead for the skeptical
view, talking quite reasonably how there’s a lot to be said for
both sides, and the science on the issue is divided, which is
why people are divided, etc. He was saying stuff like “The truth
is that reasonable people of good will can look at the same evidence
and come to opposite conclusions, including scientists. This is
what makes the climate change debate so interesting. It is one
of the greatest scientific debates in history.” Seemed like a
very reasonable, nice guy who just happened to hold a different
opinion than mine.
Imagine my surprise and horror when someone outed this guy as
a consultant hired by the electric power industry! And as soon
as that was revealed, the guy immediately disappeared, though
he had been countering most every point up to then! It was really
creepy! Especially when I looked back on the stuff that he had
written that I had excused before as being simply uninformed,
but really, was deliberately manipulative, and downright intellectually
dishonest. “This is what makes the climate debate so interesting.
. .” It’s not “interesting” you jerk—it’s potentially life or
death for real people if the worst case scenarios actually come
to pass! We’re not sure it’ll happen, but that’s what the rest
of us are sincerely trying to avoid. And you find it an “interesting”
discussion. It’s hard to convey how angry that makes me, to see
someone so careless about their impact on other people’s lives.
I felt so violated! I share this with you here because you should
know that there are indeed selfish, dishonest people out there
who will try to manipulate you for their own benefit, regardless
of any harm to you. And be aware, if you’ve made it this far through
my videos and still think AGW is bunk, then you may be a hard-line
skeptic, and this is the character of the people you are keeping
company with.
I’m just pleading with you to ask the hard questions, to be self-critcal,
and aware of your biases, and to do research. Go check out the
discussion on the website for yourself. It makes you feel really
icky.
In response to my “Most Terrifying” video, I got a lot of responses
that had a common quality that I couldn’t quite put my finger
on. I finally figured out it could be described as sort of an
arrogant ignorance. I don’t think the word “ignorant” is an insult—it
just means there’s an opportunity to learn something you don’t
know yet. We’re all ignorant, just in different areas.
But when that is taken on the offense, it can become offensive.
Like when people would so vigorously attack me for being so stupid
or alarmist or thick-headed, and they did it while totally misapplying
some basic concept, like mixing up carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide,
or dismissively calling the grid Pascal’s Wager, or confusing
the ozone layer with global warming.
This mix of aggression and ignorance puzzled me, and I think I
now have an explanation. I think people are tired of feeling like
they’re constantly being told that they are the problem, that
they are bad for just going about their lives. And so they lash
back, with whatever small bit of terminology or concept they may
have picked up. So I want to be clear: we’re not bad for causing
global climate change. It’s not a moral judgment. We’re just doing
stuff that ends up being bad for us. What’s the saying? “Don’t
poo in your own bed?” That’s really all we’re talking about.
Okay, here’s something that’ll make you hostile, but I’ve just
gotta point it out. I came across a cynic on RealClimate.org who
observed that there seem to be three phases of skeptics’ response
to environmental problems:
Phase 1: “There is no problem.”
Phase 2: “OK there is a problem, but it’s exaggerated and not
really serious.”
Phase 3: “Now it’s too late to stop it.”
I share this because it was stunning how well the comments I got
on my previous video tracked with those phases. It really wasn’t
funny how many times I got comments along the lines of: “Actually,
the globe isn’t warming; it’s the urban heat island effect!” (Phase
1). There are actually entire web projects devoted to bulldogging
the data collection sites—check ‘em out if you’re looking for
a hobby to get you outside. Or “There is little argument on the
existence of global warming, but there’s still a lot on its causes”
(Phase 2). (That one creepily reminded me of how careful that
corporate guy in the Grist.com discussion was to appear reasonable.)
Or “In the next 20 years, China will triple its emissions, no
matter what. It can’t be stopped” (Phase 3).
Where’s the phase in that progression where the problem is big
enough to be acknowledged as important, but not yet so big as
to be intractable? Can you imagine what that situation would look
like? And if you can’t imagine such a scenario that would convince
you that action is both necessary and still possible, shouldn’t
that send up a little red flag about your thinking?
Here are some of the more outlandish comments my videos got from
die-hard skeptics, in bursts of sometimes surreal logic:
[ON SCREEN] “You might consider that column B ‘true’ is the best
place to be (after column B ‘false’) as we will be strong and
have the capital and confidence to tackle a true climate catastrophe.”
Oh, that’s right, a pound of prevention is worth an ounce of cure.
No wait, an ounce, gram—metric?
[ON SCREEN] “I would rather be strong enough to face any threat
that may or may not materialize than to be weak and find out we
did the wrong things, to stop a real threat that arises, whether
it be from the weather or from somewhere else. Remember the planet-killer
asteroids?. . . What about an ascendant Chinese/Russian communist
alliance? How could we defend ourselves and react to those things,
which are actual demonstrable long-term threats if we have so
weakened ourselves because we are afraid of a possible longer
growing season in Canada?”
Um. “Actual, demonstrable long-term threats?” I really wonder
how he would go about deciding that something is an actual threat
since in the case of climate change, official statements by the
most capable and respected groups of professionals in that field
don’t seem to be enough for him. And yet a Chinese/Russian communist
alliance qualifies as an actual, demonstrable threat. Maybe I
haven’t been reading the papers carefully enough. And it’s the
longer growing season in Canada that has everyone in a tizzy?
Did I look away for a second? Are we talking about the same thing?
[ON SCREEN] “Scientists can say the sky is falling all they want
(and they’ve been doing it for centuries) but until I see it,
I don’t want POLICY MAKERS getting their hands on my prosperity
and my independence.”
So, I’ve just gotta sit and take whatever the natural world dishes
out until you’ve been personally inconvenienced enough to agree
to let us take action, despite whatever some trained scientists
may think. Thanks a lot. He’s definitely not an alarmist about
big government.
[ON SCREEN] “No, I’ll fight the very real threat of global central
planning with its return to the Dark Ages until my last breath
before I worry about some nebulous idea of global climate change.”
Sounds like this guy is pretty level-headed. Doesn’t get too excited
or overreact about things. I wonder if he listened to the scientists
when they came up with the alarmist plan of immunizations against
some nebulous idea of viruses in the germ theory of disease. Pah.
Germ theory. It’s just a theory.
[ON SCREEN] “If we squander our resources on speculative global
warming and then we’re left exhausted and poor, what happens when
we have to face a real threat, like the asteroid Apophis, which
might intersect the earth in 2036?”
I looked that one up. That reasoning is just bizarre. The scientists
who study asteroids give it a 1 in 45,000 chance of hitting the
Earth. The scientists who study human-caused global climate change
give it a 9 in 10 chance of being true [“IPCC: ‘very likely’ =
90%”]. Asteroids?
[ON SCREEN] “I truly don’t care how many scientific organizations
line up for global warming, I still think column B would save
us.”
Yeah. Pfff—scientists. What do they know anyway? That’s why I
never use plastic. Or rubber. Or synthetic cloth. Or medications.
Or a telephone. Or cars. Or electricity. I don’t care how many
scientists line up behind it, it’s just common sense that it’s
impossible for 300 tons of metal to stay up in the sky. Stupid
747.
[ON SCREEN] “Don’t you know that the AGW spin is nothing more
than a socialist/communist attempt to take over the world? They
are playing you!”
Man. As if being called a Chicken Little when you’re trying to
warn people isn’t bad enough, but to be called a Chicken Little
by people like this. That’s just insulting. And sad. Doesn’t “a
socialist/communist attempt to take over the world” have just
a smidge too much comic book premise in it to not be laughed at?
In fact, it sounds almost more paranoid than simply Chicken Little—who,
after all, was just too excitable—doesn’t it? Well, not compared
to this one:
[ON SCREEN] “So what we have witnessed in the Global Warming debate
is a perfect storm of anti-Christian philosophies parading as
science. Materialists, Socialists, and Left-leaning types found
common cause with neo-pagans and anti-Christian spirituality to
advocate a New World Order dressed as a movement to save the planet.”
Wow. I’m kinda surprised he didn’t throw in there: “people who
eat their bread with the butter side down.”
[ON SCREEN] “Action would lead to goverment control of our lives.
Couldn’t a private organization deal with this?”
Look, we already tried laissez-faire and it didn’t work. Everyone
agreed that it sucked. “Tragedy of the Commons” and all that.
Pay attention in class there, buddy.
[ON SCREEN] “The climate has changed before. It’s inevitable.”
Oh right, I get it—it’s going to happen sometime anyway, so why
get all in a hissy fit when it threatens. Sort like of like dying
is inevitable, so don’t worry so much trying to avoid it.
[ON SCREEN] “Because action on global climate change doesn’t generate
wealth, it would be an overall drain on the economy.”
My God, you’re right—anything that doesn’t actually generate wealth
is a bad thing that must be shunned, like disaster preparation,
and a standing army, and air traffic control. Let the invisible
hand of the market gently move one plane to the side when it’s
on a collision course with another. I think that’ll work.
A lot of people expressed that they’d pick column B in the grid
because it contained the only box in the whole grid that they
like the look of. It was the only one with a happy face, but is
that how you decide the fate of the planet? And I can’t help but
think about how—by that logic—someone standing on the road in
the way of an out-of-control truck would choose to just stand
there instead of jumping into the muddy ditch, because the only
scenario where he ends up unequivocally happy is the one where
he stands still and the truck happens to swerve around him. “Sweet!
Didn’t even muss my hair. . . .”
Sorry. Sassy again.
But don’t these objections strike you as being a little bit
more towards the side of fearful dogma, and less towards the side
of rational assessment?
Be aware if you’ve made it this far through my arguments and you
still just think AGW is bunk, then these are the people you’re
going to be seen as keeping company with. And it’s starting to
sound a bit like a conspiracy theory.
[BOARD, CREDIBILITY SPECTRUM] Because here’s the picture so far:
[columns labeled “significant action” vs. “no significant action”
on either side of credibility spectrum running vertically]: all
of these organizations that fall on the top of our credibility
spectrum [AAAS, NAS, IPCC, USCAP, Exxon, Pentagon report, Stern
Report, Economists’ Statement on Climate Change, Scientists’ Warning
to Humanity] vs. this individual, or that think tank, or the other
self-selected group signing a petition lower down on the spectrum
[Lomborg (Copenhagen Consensus), Cato, Lindzen, Landsea et al.,
Leipzig Declaration, Oregon Petition]. The best you’ve got over
here is the Copenhagen Consensus with its four Nobel Laureates,
which is pretty much balanced out by the Economists’ Statement
on Climate Change, with its six, so we’ll call it a wash there.
Let’s be clear: if you side with these guys, then you are explicitly
dismissing the conclusions of the best science on the planet,
as well as a bunch of heavyweight industry leaders. Now, they
may indeed be wrong—no one is infallible. But remember, since
we’re using basic risk management, in order to convince the rest
of us that we shouldn’t take action “just in case,” you need to
do way more than show that AAAS and NAS might be wrong. We already
know that. Anybody might be wrong.
[BOARD, GRID] What you’ll need to do is convince us that this
line actually belongs down here—way down here if you want this
column to have the better expected value, because you’ll remember
the consequence of this box by definition is greater than this
one. You need to provide some extraordinary evidence that the
most well-respected scientific societies on the planet are completely
out to lunch.
[DESK] So it’s going to take more than a couple of good-sounding
ideas, like “it’s the sun,” or “climate has always changed—it’s
a natural cycle,” or “the Medieval warming period wasn’t so bad,”
or “Mars is warming too, you know,” or “CO2 is only .04% of the
atmosphere,” or “water is a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2,”
or “who’s to say what the right climate is?” or “CO2 lags temperature
in the ice core data,” etc. [Google “how to talk to a climate
skeptic”] Do you really expect us to think the scientists haven’t
heard those and taken them into account already?
And it’ll take more than saying “the scientists are biased because
their grant money depends on people caring.” You would need to
somehow explain how such erroneous statements as those of AAAS
and NAS made it all the way through the bruising peer-review process
of the two most well-respected scientific organizations on the
planet. Organizations that arguably have a greater stake in never
making wrong statements than any other organization in existence.
Essentially, if you wouldn’t listen to them, why would you listen
to anybody? Because NO process is more careful and self-critical
than science.
Plus, since you could say “the scientists are biased, because
their funding depends on it” about any topic, why is it valid
to only bring that up here? Why don’t you reject all science,
then? And why are you perfectly happy to put your well-being in
the hands of the companies that sell you your car, your food,
your power tools, and anything else that might possibly harm you
when their paychecks depend on you wanting more of what they have
to offer, just like you accuse the scientists of? And the companies
don’t even have an element of greater good in their job description
like “pursuing knowledge” for the scientist. Business’ only universal
mission is to increase value for shareholders.
[BOARD, SPECTRUM] Really it’s some elaborate denial, don’t you
think, requiring quite a conspiracy to explain it. It’s starting
to sound a bit like the shadow government or black helicopters
or the hoaxed moon landing or aliens in Roswell or the faked Holocaust
or the U.S. government bringing the towers down. So you’d best
be prepared for people lumping you in with the conspiracy theorists
as they start to see this much expertise stacked up, and you thrashing
at the tide. Perhaps that’s fine with you. I’m just saying—be
aware of it, and make it a conscious choice, instead of an accidental
one because you couldn’t be bothered to research and rebut all
of my arguments.
And aside from protecting your cred or your rep or your character
or whatever, does this really look like the best bet for getting
what you want out of life? To ignore these guys when you’re betting
the world on what I might remind you is a scientific issue? These
are really smart people who spend way more time researching it
than you do. Why do you trust them on so many other topics that
contribute to your comfort, health, convenience, and safety of
daily life, but not on climate change? Why is this the one topic
that’s different? Aren’t you starting to suspect some strong bias
in your views, say a deep hostility toward government? But is
that really the same as uncertainty about climate change?
[BOARD] I want to go back and take a closer look at the truck
example I gave earlier, this time with a grid. Cuz everything’s
better with a grid.
Remember, the argument is: column B is a better
bet, because it’s the only one with a box that looks at all attractive.
A similar argument for column B was that choosing column A would
doom us to economic harm, no matter what ended up happening with
climate change. At least with column B, humanity’s got a chance
to be happy.
On this side is what the truck ends up doing when it passes your
spot, and up here is what action you choose to take. Your only
option is to jump to a rock in the middle of a muddy ditch. If
you do that, you may slip and get muddy or you may not. But you’re
a worst-case kinda guy, so you assume the worst WILL happen if
you jump, and we put in muddy for both these boxes: here muddy
for no reason, here muddy but relieved.
Wait—if you were a worst-case kinda guy, you wouldn’t still be
standing in the road, would you? I guess you’re only a worst-case
kind of guy when it comes to threats to your clothes, but if it’s
a substantive threat to your physical well being—well, bring on
the adrenaline. So we’ll assume muddy in this entire column.
Now, let’s say you see the truck weaving a bit because the driver
is texting someone, but it’s far away. It’s got your attention,
but this line is down low, because the driver has plenty of time
to see you. You don’t want to end up here—muddy for no reason,
so you wait a bit, because you like the look of this box. But
as he gets closer, you can see that it must be a very engrossing
conversation, because he’s now using both hands for his phone,
so this line moves up. Still, you don’t like the look of any of
these three boxes. You really want this box. So you hope. He’ll
see you. He’s gotta. I can’t imagine getting creamed by a truck,
so it’s not gonna happen.
How long would you let your desire for this box keep you in the
middle of the road? Until the last possible moment, just before
the truck is certain to hit you? What if you miscalculated that
moment? What if it comes, and you slip? What if it’s not just
your life, but you’ve got a family that depends on you? What if
you’re not the one in the road, but it’s someone who holds the
key to your own life? How long before you scream at him that he’s
not just making a personal choice?
[DESK] If we are sincere in getting closer to the truth, whatever
it is, rather than just preserving our opinion, then we are obliged
to follow the debate back and forth, and not just stop when we
find something that pleases us. What do I mean? Let’s say you
keep hearing a claim that really bugs you, so you look up a counterargument
that seems to neutralize the claim. So now, whenever you hear
the claim, you repeat your counterargument to yourself and move
on, confident that the claim doesn’t hold water.
What you should do—in fact, I’m arguing it’s not only your obligation,
but it’s in your own best interests—is go looking for any rebuttals
to that counterargument that you’re carrying around in your pocket.
Whether your counterargument is solid or not, either way you benefit
by actually trying to rebut it yourself. Why? Because if it’s
really solid, then your thorough looking will turn up no good
rebuttals to it, and thus your confidence in your counterargument
is increased.
And if your counterargument is lousy and full of holes, well then
you probably would like to know that before you go betting your
house on it, wouldn’t you? So you can rid yourself of the weak
points in your arguments, and strengthen the strong points, by
conscientiously tracing the back-and-forth refutations of the
debate yourself.
I do this all the time—I’m actively looking around for new arguments
and evidence against my viewpoint. Why? To make it stronger—to
get rid of the weak points and find even more effective ways to
convey the strong points. For instance, that’s what I did with
my “Most Terrifying” video—I pretty much threw down with the whole
freakin’ internet. A million views and 5000+ critical comments
later, I emerge battered and bruised, but with a better argument.
In argumentation, at least, it’s true that whatever doesn’t kill
it makes it stronger.
So do some more homework. Look up your objections to human-caused
global climate change on Grist.com’s “How to Talk to a Climate
Skeptic.” [Google “How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic”] Then consider
the rebuttal to your argument you find there. In fact, that site
is such a good resource for you that I’m jealous, because it lays
out exactly what you need to refute to make your point. I’d like
to find a “How to Talk to a Warmer” site of equal quality that
would give the skeptic’s responses to the rebuttals on the Grist
site. And I’ve got to tell you, the lack of such a site reinforces
my view that the warmers are more probably correct than the skeptics.
The pitfall to avoid in this whole back-and-forth process is stopping
when you find an argument that supports what you believe. It’s
very hard to resist. But if you make the effort to persist, the
robustness of your opinion increases. You hopefully get closer
to the truth.
Have you done this for your viewpoints? If not, why? I know we’re
all busy as heck, but if there was ever a time to really know
our stuff, wouldn’t this be it, when the debate is about whether
our future is on the line or not? And if you still find yourself
not seeking out the weaknesses in your own arguments, don’t you
need to question whether you’re being intellectually honest with
yourself? Is that really in your own best interests?
Along the lines of how a thorough debate serves us best, you should
distrust (and please do not yourself engage in) simple dismissals
of arguments: either “just a bunch of chicken little scare tactics
designed to get control of my life,” or “just another rabid neocon
in the pocket of big oil.” If you name call instead of refute,
you concede the point. Only when faced with an unfalsifiable claim
is it valid to decline to answer the points presented.
I know I’ve laid out a ton of arguments over the course of all
these bloody videos. But I’ll challenge you right now: if you
disagree, and your response is along the lines of “That’s just
typical liberal scaremongering,” but you don’t actually rebut
my points, then you’ll have to understand if all those watching
take that as a concession on your part, and assume that you are
resorting to name-calling because you know I’m right, but you
just won’t admit it to yourself. So: if your response to all this
is name calling rather than direct refutation of each of my points,
then we’ll just have to assume that it’s because you can’t refute
them. How’s that for throwing down the gauntlet?
You may notice that in these videos I haven’t addressed a lot
of the most common technical arguments and objections about AGW.
That’s because it’s already been done in such a thorough and well-organized
way on the Grist.com site. I highly recommend you check it out.
And please, if you have—or can find—good refutations of any of
the points made on that site that have yet to be resolved in the
comments section, please bring it to my attention, with references.
I would love to see the next step in the back-and-forth.
For what it’s worth, as you research the back-and-forth debate,
I’ve found the Wikipedia articles on climate change to be excellent
as a starting point in looking for sources with opposing viewpoints.
Okay, I’ve been avoiding this, because I didn’t want to open
the can of worms, but we’ve got to talk about the valid role of
government. Now before you get all up-in-2nd-amendment-protected-arms,
let me just point out that believe it or not you—yes even you—do
believe that government has a valid role to play in society. You
may just not realize you do, because it’s so distasteful to you.
But unless you are a literal anarchist, I’m sure you believe that
government at least has the minimum role of protecting you from
my liberties, like getting my kicks by hotwiring your car. You
also probably agree that another valid function of government
is to pool resources and do things that we cannot efficiently
do for ourselves, like building roads, or securing our national
defense.
A good analogy would be back in the pioneer days, a bunch of pioneers
might pool their efforts to dig an irrigation canal that no single
one of them could have dug, but which benefits all of them. The
next project is complex enough that the pioneers agree to have
one of them coordinate it, and they compensate that coordinator
for the time lost in his own fields. That’s government. The modern
examples that most people would probably agree are pretty nifty
include things like universal electrification, universal phone
service (back in the pre-cell days), the interstate highway system,
and food safety.
Here’s a comment I got: “But everything the government touches
turns to shit. So the solution is not in public policy, but in
the free market.” Now that’s just crazy talk. Just because there’s
lots of stuff the government does that you dislike is no reason
to let yourself be blinded and start sounding you have a religious
faith in Our Omnipotent Father the Immaculate Market. Not everything
the government touches is bad. How about having a police force?
A fire department? Roads? Food safety laws? How about banning
lead paint in 1978? Was that a lousy, heavy-handed government
intrusion into the free choice of consumers? How many more kids
would have been crippled if we waited for “market forces” to drive
lead paint out of business? Would those kids be an acceptable
price to pay for your liberty to buy whatever darn paint you want?
So let’s stop the hyperbole about draconian government control
of your life, and discuss its functions and limits rationally.
Global climate change is a problem that is—well . . . global in
scale. And, as we saw in the video “Scare Tactics,” it has feedback
loops too long for market forces to effectively react to. That
is, by the time the effects are strong enough to spur the market
to change, it’s too late for change to have an effect. So the
market is doomed to failure in addressing such issues with long
feedback loops and potentially irreversible consequences (at least,
irreversible on a human time scale). So action on climate change
fits perfectly, right into the most minimalist definition of the
purpose of government: to protect you from the effects of me exercising
my liberties (like burning as much fossil fuels as I please—it
may be my private car, but it’s our shared air that I’m venting
my waste to), and to pool resources to address a problem on a
scale far larger than any other organization could hope to.
Here’s a related objection: “But people need to trust that the
money spent to stop climate change will be spent effectively and
honestly.” Yeah, you’re right.
But does withholding the money
in the face of an imminent threat because we’re afraid of waste
sound like it’s in our best interest? Here’s something no one
will ever say out loud: we’re not going to hit it spot on—we will
end up either overspending or underspending. We just need to be
big girls and boys about it, and accept that there’s going to
be some inefficiency.
We cannot be perfect, so we are either going to spend more money
than absolutely necessary in order to ensure that we accomplish
what we need to, or we are going to accomplish less than we need
to, in order to ensure that we waste no money. Given what’s at
stake, which sounds like the more important goal to ensure: that
we waste no money, or that we accomplish what we need to? Given
that we may be threatened with irreversible harm—including to
our economy, by the way—why don’t we err on the side of caution,
make sure everything gets done that needs to, and follow up to
minimize the waste as best we can? But it’s just silly to sit
here paralyzed in the path of that truck, trying to figure out
which would expend less energy—jump over the guardrail, or run
for the other side? We don’t want to risk possibly wasting any
energy, now do we?
Here’s one that rocked me back in my seat: “I’m currently on the
fence about the ultimate cause of global warming.” “I’m currently
on the fence??” Why do you need to decide? “I’m currently on the
fence??” Who are YOU to judge? What are your qualifications? Why
the heck is our policy (and our collective neck) riding on Joe
Schmoe’s armchair analysis of one of the most complex scientific
issues in the world? What on earth is going on here? Why are we
allowing the popular debate to even continue like this, when the
overwhelming conclusion of those who are actually qualified to
judge—scientists, economists, business leaders—is that we need
to take significant action as soon as possible to avoid losing
our hides.
I’m sorry. Self-righteous again. I just get worked up about this
stuff, cuz I’m really worried about where we seem to be heading,
and sometimes it seems that so many skeptics are just cavalier
about the potential threats, dismissing them with a wave of their
hand and the label of “alarmist” about anyone who is concerned.
Did you ever think about how Paul Revere is revered in American
history for spreading alarm? Would you have dismissed him at the
time as an alarmist? Is everyone who spreads an alarm an alarmist?
And if your answer is “No, he wasn’t an alarmist, because that
was his job—he was designated ahead of time to watch for threats.
If he was the lookout, then what are the scientists but high tech
lookouts—meticulously studying the physical world to see what’s
going on, and letting us know what they find. And now, when they
raise the alarm, encapsulated in the unequivocal statements from
AAAS and NAS, you would dismiss them as hysterical, incompetent,
biased?
I do believe you want the best for yourself. I even believe you
probably want the best for the whole world. I think if you try
to become brutally aware of your thinking processes—your biases,
whether your goal in looking for information is to get closer
to the physical truth or to retain your opinion, whether you are
starting from belief or starting from evidence—and you analyze
this in historical perspective, you will see that we are in a
time like no other. Because our population and our technology
are large enough to change the planet, and the old way of thinking—where
we could tolerate mistakes—won’t work for us any more. There’s
no longer anywhere to run to.
I’m pretty sure I’m not being ideological. I’m trying to just
be practical. Join me in that. When the stakes are this big, how
can you—we—afford not to?
So, to recap:
I say “How do you account for the fact that AAAS and NAS issued
such strongly worded statements.”
And then you say “The scientists are biased. They get to keep
their jobs if everyone believes them.”
And then I say “Have you watched my explanation about bias in
the video ‘Nature of Science?’ Because of all jobs on the planet,
the job of scientist is the one that is most careful about identifying
and eliminating bias. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. But
couldn’t the accusation of a belief based on bias be also levelled
at you, for your claim that climate change is a hoax? And do you
really want to claim that you are less biased than scientists
in general, who are specifically trained in how to avoid it? And
sure—scientists are individuals, so they might be biased. But
AAAS has 144,000 members and a huge reputation to uphold. Isn’t
it a bit extraordinary for you—a single lay person—to claim that
you have less bias than a statement that represents 144,000 people
who are specifically trained on how to avoid bias?”
And you say “But it’s job security for scientists. If they scare
people about it enough, all they have to do is put the word ‘climate
change’ on their grant proposal, and they’re on the gravy train.”
I say “Aren’t you just repeating your claim? How can our conversation
be productive if you just repeat your claim, and not specifically
counter my rebuttals?”
And then you say “Do you have a different question?
And then I say “Why do you apply the reasoning about job security
in this case, but not in any other case, say when scientists warned
us about lead-based paint, or mercury in fish, or arsenic in drinking
water, or—here’s a good one—that an atomic bomb might be possible,
and Hitler might be working on it? The Manhattan Project was created—and
gave jobs to scientists—because scientists gave a warning about
a possible threat that they understood better than lay people
or policy makers. Using your logic then would have resulted in
the Manhattan Project not happening, and possibly a very different
end to WWII. Doesn’t that show your logic to be not useful?”
And then I’m not sure what you say to that. Maybe you can fill
in the blank in the comments section.
And then I say “Okay, let’s say that most of the scientists are
biased or corrupt. Still, then how do you account for the statement
from the companies in the USCAP, who are calling for mandatory
emissions caps on their own businesses?”
And then you say “They’ve been duped by the scientists.”
And then I say “Isn’t the picture you’re painting getting a little
hard to believe? That global climate change is essentially a conspiracy—intentional
or not—that includes all the most well-respected scientific organizations
in the world, as well as a bunch of big for-profit corporations,
which probably themselves aren’t run by a bunch of dummies? Isn’t
the simpler explanation the one that says the scientists on the
whole do know what they’re doing, and aren’t corrupt, and that
the business leaders also know what they’re doing? Let’s face
it, if there’s been duping going on, which sounds more feasible:
that business leaders—who make it their, well, business—to figure
out what’s in their best interest, have been duped by the most
trusted organizations representing the most deliberate and self-critical
profession in human history, or that individual lay people have
been tragically misled about a complex scientific topic by a few
well-funded and organized businesses trying to keep their current
jobs?”
And then you probably say “I hate intellectuals. They’re so condescending.”
And then I say “I’m sorry, but I’m just trying to be thorough.
You can’t claim that you know for certain that global warming
isn’t a problem, can you? So isn’t just the possiblility that
it may be the greatest threat humans have ever faced make it worth
the time to be thorough in our thinking about it?”
I’m not asking you to believe me. I think that’s what gotten us
into trouble—too much belief, and not enough questioning. I’m
asking you to please, just consider the possibility that you’re
wrong. And think about the possible consequences of that.
You’ve probably been wrong before. Goodness knows I have. If there
was ever a time in our individual lives—and our history as a society—to
get it right, it’s now. So I’m asking you to be as unselfish,
humble, and thorough as you will ever be in your life, step back
from your belief, and take another look at the case for human-caused
global climate change.
Because none of us is as smart as we think we are. I know, I know—you’re
very sure of yourself. So am I. But no one is infallible. Either
of us may be wrong. So we’ve each got to ask ourselves: “What
if I’m wrong?” Like I shared in the video “I Hope I’m Wrong,”
I’ve done that exercise, and I’m comfortable with my answer, because
I think I’ve been as self-critical and conscientious as anyone
could demand.
Picture what that world might look like if you turn
out to be wrong, and how it would feel to be there, looking back
at this moment right now, when you knew you had the opportunity
to choose “better safe than sorry,” but you decided to risk it,
because you were afraid it might hurt the economy. How much would
that suck?
[BOARD, SPECTRUM] If you’re not willing to even imagine that,
if you’re not willing to even entertain the possibility that you’re
wrong and they are right, then what does that say about the quality
and honesty of your thinking—and your credibility with the rest
of us? Do you really want to risk being sidelined as a conspiracy
theorist and ignored?
If you’re not yet convinced that action is in your own pragmatic
best interest, then why aren’t you at least campaigning for a
Manpollo Project, to properly answer the question on which hangs
your fate? If you’re not even doing that, then doesn’t that leave
the rest of us with the conclusion that you do indeed consider
yourself infallible? Because you’d be settting yourself up in
opposition to all these people who call for significant action
now—and you’d be looking them in the eye and saying: “Well, in
my judgment of the evidence—it’s not even worth looking at any
further. We can dismiss the possibility of catastrophic climate
change right now.”
In fact, there’s a silver bullet! Both sides of the debate will
agree that we should have such a Manpollo, project, and here’s
why: because each side thinks the project will get us closer to
the truth, and dispel the untruths that the other side has spun.
So we all want this, because everyone thinks they’re right, and
would love further ammunition to prove the other side wrong. Wouldn’t
that be worth the cost?
Because a Manhattan Project is not going to cause a global depression.
An Apollo Project is not going to going to bankrupt the US, or
lead to government control of your life. So what’s to lose? If
we have a Manpollo project and it finds that human-caused climate
change turns out to be bunk, then hey—okay, we diverted some government
jobs from one sector to another. Isn’t reducing the uncertainty
about this at least worth that cost?
Given the stakes, it seems that at this point you as a skeptic
have only two intellectually honest options: either step aside,
or agitate for a Manpollo Project as soon as possible!
“Hey wait!” you cry. “That’s biased! Why isn’t agitating for the
skeptic’s side included?” Because, with the AAAS, NAS, USCAP and
even Exxon lining up on the warmers’ side, you’ll never find enough
credible evidence on your own to take on their judgment and expertise.
If you think they’re wrong, the only way to convince the public
and policy makers of that is by having something as weighty as
a Manpollo Project show it, to stack up its findings against all
of those organizations.
Still if you don’t believe the scientists now, then why would
you believe them later as part of a Manpollo Project? Which means
you’ll never believe them. Which means even if it’s true, you
won’t believe it! And now you’re starting to look like the Iraqi
Minister of Information, who was already known for being flagrantly
out of touch with reality, but got just downright surreal during
the invasion of Baghdad, you remember? Telling reporters that
there were no US troops in the city, even as the reporters could
hear the tanks outside! In fact, I’m a little surprised that no
blogger on the warmers’ side has yet taken to giving out monthly
Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf awards. They could go to the hard-line
skeptic who best embodies the former Information Minister’s talent
for heroically persistent denial in the face of overwhelming evidence.
Make no mistake: as a skeptic you are left with only two defensible
choices: either actively campaign for the Manpollo project, or
get out of the way. Anything else, and you would be explicitly
saying you don’t give a rat’s ass about the economic or physical
well-being of anybody but yourself. Which is your prerogative.
But if that’s the case, then say it, and stop pretending to debate.
Because, while you aren’t obliged to work for the well-being of
others, it is immoral of you to actively hinder those who are
working for their own well-being. We’ve had enough. Again, if
you say “But hey, I could turn that right around and say the same
to you, because your action on climate change is going to impinge
on my liberties,” then see above—because in the face of such overwhelming
evidence, a Manpollo Project is the only feasible way of accomplishing
the skeptic’s agenda of convincing the rest of us to not take
action.
So become a crusader for the Manpollo Project. . . or get the
hell out of the way.
Well, you’ve come to the end of the line. That’s it. That’s my
best effort in getting to the truth of the matter, with as much
thoroughness, honesty, and self-criticism as I can muster. Thanks
for taking the time.
Oh, and my test for falsifiability? My claim is based on very
thorough and broadly-based research, and so would need similarly
thorough and broadly-based disproof. The main lynchpin would need
to be an answer to the question: “How could the most trusted and
established scientific organizations in the world get it so wrong?”
I would need to see persistent and thorough evidence along multiple
lines that the both the scientific processes of AAAS and NAS as
organizations and the careers of a significant number of their
most trusted and established individuals had been corrupted or
brilliantly mislead by a tremendously well-organized covert campaign
of manipulation. The reporting of the evidence would need to be
picked up by the major news networks and hold up under scrutiny
for a long period of time—say at least a year.
It would need to be an expose of significantly greater caliber,
extent, and expense than any other in history, because the conspiracy
would have included more individuals by an order of magnitude
than any other cover-up or conspiracy, ever. Remember that AAAS
has 144,000 members, and the NAS has been around since 1863. In
effect, it would need to be of significant enough import to damage
the credibility of the human endeavor of science itself for 100
years—essentially a paradigm shift away from the trust we place
in science by using so much modern technology.
The claim of incompetence or corruption on the part of these organizations
and the majority of the individuals comprising them is extraordinary
enough, that I would need extraordinary evidence of an extraordinary
cover-up. That’s an extraordinary number of extraordinaries. But
it is—in principle—possible. Which makes my claim falsifiable,
and therefore, not dismissable.
How about yours?